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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 2nd, 2008, 10:37 pm 
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I don't really see any need to take the current box set out of print but I would be all for a newly updated one. Either that or reissues that include a second disc full of bonus tracks. I would also be all for an expanded edition of You Had To Be There.
I don't think it would happen because it would have a parental advisory and I don't think Jimmy wants that. I've also never really heard him speak highly of it, so he may not wanna release it even if he could. But I swear he's been making references to it this year, he added the Cone Head verse into Miss You So Badly and even made a cone head mention in God's Own Drunk the other night.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 2nd, 2008, 10:57 pm 
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I don't really see any need to take the current box set out of print but I would be all for a newly updated one. Either that or reissues that include a second disc full of bonus tracks. I would also be all for an expanded edition of You Had To Be There.
I don't think it would happen because it would have a parental advisory and I don't think Jimmy wants that. I've also never really heard him speak highly of it, so he may not wanna release it even if he could. But I swear he's been making references to it this year, he added the Cone Head verse into Miss You So Badly and even made a cone head mention in God's Own Drunk the other night.


Why would it need a Parental Advisory? Despite the renaming of Why Don't We Get Drunk for Feeding Frenzy which he did of his own volition, Buffett has always sorta slipped under the radar with that sort of stuff. I didn't see a Parental Advisory on Nugent's Double Live Gonzo when it was issued on CD, nor did the deluxe reissue of the Who's Who's Next warrant one. Not to mention, a Parent Advisory label never hurt the sales of a record, if anything it's helped boost sales. In regards to Buffett's interest in releasing the record, from what I've read it's out of his hands anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 6th, 2008, 11:50 am 
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I believe there should at least be vinyl pressings of Feeding Frenzy, Fruitcakes, Barometer Soup, Banana Wind, Christmas Island, Don't Stop the Carnival, Beach House on the Moon, Tuesdays Thursdays Saturdays, Far Side of the World, License to Chill and Take the Weather With You. All the soundboard live albums and the compilations could pass. Even so the record executives would think I'm crazy and it wouldn't be the same due to the fact these albums didn't come out with the CDs and cassettes from 1990-2006, but it would still be neat. Fruitcakes, for example would be neat to hear on 180 gram vinyl and the packaging, looking at the CD insert, would thrive on 12".

When you think of that we have a much better chance of getting CD reissues. I would personally put everything from Down to Earth up to Banana Wind in the series, plus a multi disc rarity collection ala Springsteen's Tracks. I know there is enough material between the studio outtakes and significant live recordings in the vaults. (and of course they would remaster all of that material so it sounds consistant to the remasters!)

And still no DVDs of Live by the Bay or and updated Tales from Margaritavison (the videos on the Enhanced CDs, Trip Around the Sun, Bahma Breeze added to the listing)...


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PostPosted: May 6th, 2008, 8:25 pm 
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Don't know if this belongs on this thread..............................just listened to the concert replay. I have to have that CD. I don't care what it will cost me. It was just awesome! :PhinzUp: :PhinzUp: :PhinzUp:

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 9th, 2008, 7:33 pm 
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Jahfin wrote:
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Jahfin wrote:
I don't really see any need to take the current box set out of print but I would be all for a newly updated one. Either that or reissues that include a second disc full of bonus tracks. I would also be all for an expanded edition of You Had To Be There.
I don't think it would happen because it would have a parental advisory and I don't think Jimmy wants that. I've also never really heard him speak highly of it, so he may not wanna release it even if he could. But I swear he's been making references to it this year, he added the Cone Head verse into Miss You So Badly and even made a cone head mention in God's Own Drunk the other night.


Why would it need a Parental Advisory? Despite the renaming of Why Don't We Get Drunk for Feeding Frenzy which he did of his own volition, Buffett has always sorta slipped under the radar with that sort of stuff. I didn't see a Parental Advisory on Nugent's Double Live Gonzo when it was issued on CD, nor did the deluxe reissue of the Who's Who's Next warrant one. Not to mention, a Parent Advisory label never hurt the sales of a record, if anything it's helped boost sales. In regards to Buffett's interest in releasing the record, from what I've read it's out of his hands anyway.
The thing is, it could be in his hands. He would have to buy the masters from Universal to re-release stuff, right? He could easily do that, obviously. But I don't think Jimmy likes his old albums (at least, 73-88) because everytime they play an old song they change the arrangement.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 10th, 2008, 8:33 am 
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I'd love to see a really good set of unreleased songs. As cool as it would be to see remasters of all Jimmy's albums with bonus tracks, I hate the idea of having to buy all of those CDs again. 'Boats, Beaches, Bars and Ballads' is a great set, but it is more like an extension to SYKBH. Most of us probably bought it early on in our Parrothead careers before we explored the individual albums. I have hope that in the near future we may see a set of alternate takes, unreleased tracks etc... catering to the die hard fans. Keep your fins crossed.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 10th, 2008, 2:54 pm 
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Mr. Other Me wrote:
Jahfin wrote:
Mr. Other Me wrote:
Jahfin wrote:
I don't really see any need to take the current box set out of print but I would be all for a newly updated one. Either that or reissues that include a second disc full of bonus tracks. I would also be all for an expanded edition of You Had To Be There.
I don't think it would happen because it would have a parental advisory and I don't think Jimmy wants that. I've also never really heard him speak highly of it, so he may not wanna release it even if he could. But I swear he's been making references to it this year, he added the Cone Head verse into Miss You So Badly and even made a cone head mention in God's Own Drunk the other night.


Why would it need a Parental Advisory? Despite the renaming of Why Don't We Get Drunk for Feeding Frenzy which he did of his own volition, Buffett has always sorta slipped under the radar with that sort of stuff. I didn't see a Parental Advisory on Nugent's Double Live Gonzo when it was issued on CD, nor did the deluxe reissue of the Who's Who's Next warrant one. Not to mention, a Parent Advisory label never hurt the sales of a record, if anything it's helped boost sales. In regards to Buffett's interest in releasing the record, from what I've read it's out of his hands anyway.
The thing is, it could be in his hands. He would have to buy the masters from Universal to re-release stuff, right? He could easily do that, obviously. But I don't think Jimmy likes his old albums (at least, 73-88) because everytime they play an old song they change the arrangement.


No offense intended but it's amazing the lengths some folks will go to shoot down the idea of remastered versions of Buffett's albums. As I understand it (at least as explained to me by Key Lime Lee, who's opinion I trust) it is out of Buffett's hands but that conversation went deep into some legalese I won't even attempt to translate here. As for the opinion that Buffett doesn't like his old albums so he changes the arrangements. Maybe that has more to do with keeping the material interesting for him to play since he's been playing the same songs for so long. Maybe it has to do with the ever evolving lineups of the Coral Reefer Band over the years. Or maybe it has something to do with the absence of "Fingers" Taylor. Who knows but I very seriously doubt that Buffett doesn't like his older material. Even so, it has absolutely nothing to do with why those records couldn't be remastered. Look around at all of the Deluxe Editions on record shelves, even the most obscure of artists have seen their back catalogs reissued, remastered and expanded. Perhaps Buffett's back catalog will never receive such treatment but I see no reason why it shouldn't. I also don't see any reason why vinyl versions of his latter albums couldn't be released. As I've mentioned, even the Drive-By Truckers (not exactly a household name) have had nearly all of their back catalog issued on vinyl that was previously only available on CD. The sales of vinyl is on an upswing so now would be the perfect time.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 10th, 2008, 3:06 pm 
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Shrimper Dan wrote:
I'd love to see a really good set of unreleased songs. As cool as it would be to see remasters of all Jimmy's albums with bonus tracks, I hate the idea of having to buy all of those CDs again. 'Boats, Beaches, Bars and Ballads' is a great set, but it is more like an extension to SYKBH. Most of us probably bought it early on in our Parrothead careers before we explored the individual albums. I have hope that in the near future we may see a set of alternate takes, unreleased tracks etc... catering to the die hard fans. Keep your fins crossed.


As I previously mentioned I own very little of Buffett's early albums on CD. Yes, it would be a bitch for those that have already purchased them to have to buy them again but I look at it this way, I already own them on vinyl so I'd be repurchasing them again anyway. I already own duplicate copies of R.E.M.'s back catalog on CD so having to do the same for Buffett wouldn't be a huge leap. The worst example I've seen of this is the Elvis Costello collection, I have no idea how many times all of his albums have been reissued but it's at least up to 2-3 times by now.

In regards to the Buffett box, it was among my first Buffett purchases on CD. Since I already owned the majority of that material on vinyl I felt it was a good way of covering the bases at the time. I also held out hope that his albums would receive the reissue treatment somewhere down the road (despite all of the obstacles, I still hold out hope) so I didn't go out and buy the CD versions right away.

I would love to see an updated box that includes some true rarities, outtakes, previously unreleased live cuts, etc. but feel Buffett is too much of a quality control freak for that to happen or we would have seen stuff like 15 Year Old Girlfriend on the first collection. Just look at nearly any box set by most any artist and they seem to be full of the hard to find stuff but not Buffett. While I enjoy his box set and find it a worthy addition to my CD collection he definitely played it safe content-wise.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 10th, 2008, 8:46 pm 
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Can you tell where I can go to find out the value of two of Buffets albums. I have "Changes in Lattitude" and Volcano that have never been taken out of the original package?


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Can you tell where I can go to find out the value of two of Buffets albums. I have "Changes in Lattitude" and Volcano that have never been taken out of the original package?


Used to you would have to go to a collector to find out. These days the barometer is eBay. Unfortunately, a lot of the stuff on eBay is an inflated price and not a true representation of it's actual worth. For example, pre-internet; a mint copy of Lynyrd Skynyrd's Street Survivors (with the original flame cover) was worth only $35 (cassette and 8-track copies are actually worth much more since they're rarer). With the advent of auction sites such as eBay you can get much more for such rarities. Sorry I couldn't provide a better answer but that seems to be the way of things these days. Otherwise, maybe Parrot Monkey (Dan) or some of the other avid Buffett collectors here can help you.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 12th, 2008, 10:19 am 
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The value in dollars of any collector's items is always the simple answer of "What someone is willing to pay for it", and how many are out there like that, but in this case for sure it is also dependant of what pressings those are. "Changes" could be the ABC/Dunhill original with the gatefold and the emobssed cover, or it could be the MCA repressing, which has small black text in the top left corner. Volcano always had a gatefold no matter what pressings, but some went out with plain white inner sleeves, which of course cannot be deterinted if it is sealed, but Volcano is a popular album to have a gold stamp on the cover which indicates MCA re-assigned the catalogue number, which would decrease the value as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 12th, 2008, 12:11 pm 
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Back in '99 when my Mom passed away I inherited her and my father's vinyl collection. While I would have liked to have kept all of them, it just wasn't possible since there were so many. I soon found out that vinyl in general wasn't bringing much. The only exceptions being (quite obviously) rarities. What amazed me is what it takes to make a record rare. It can be everything from a misprinted serial number to one side being by one artist and the flipside being by another (a manufacturing fuck up). It may have changed since then but overall vinyl just isn't worth a whole lot unless it's a one of a kind pressing.

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: May 12th, 2008, 12:24 pm 
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Yes. I checked eBay and there were two sealed copies of Volcano avaliable for Buy It Now, $12 and $15. No stamps or renumbering on the covers either.

On the other hand, ANY copy of Down to Earth, even ones with cut corners and all that go for at least $150 now.


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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
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No matter the chances there's always going to be people that shoot down the idea of Buffett's back catalog being reissued (even from his biggest fans), I have no idea why though. If Jim Croce's back catalog can be reissued (on vinyl no less) then so can Buffett's:

Croce Albums Earmarked for Reissue

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 Post subject: Re: Buffett Re-Masters
PostPosted: June 3rd, 2008, 12:45 pm 
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Yeah, Croce's albums were always compilation hell as I understand it, with the original configurations and artwork being absent from the market for awhile.

But the thing is, there isn't anybody passionate about such things as AJ Croce in Buffett's camp.


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